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<big>This is a discussion page about which 3d printer we should get for the lab, please feel free to edit it! </big> </div> <noinclude>
<big>This page was used to decide which 3D printer should be [[Loomio_Polls|put up for voting]]. These are <b>not</b> the printers the MuMaLab owns.  </big> </div> <noinclude>


= General Introduction =
= General Introduction =
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=Printer Requirments=  
=Printer Requirments=  
=Evaluation criteria=
==Evaluation criteria==
* Easy to maintain and repair
* Easy to maintain and repair
* Safe for continouse operation in the lab
* Idiot proof and easy to use
* Known for good repairability/stock parts available from the manufacturer
* Known for good repairability/stock parts available from the manufacturer
* Support from the manufacturer
* Support from the manufacturer


=Candidate Printer=  
=Candidate Printer=  
==Overview==
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Below is a spec graded table of all printers listed made with my best knowledge with the intentions of aiding the desition process. Detailed specs please see below in the table and further readings are provided in links and google.
|-
! Printer  !! Cost (15P)  !! Build Volume (10P) !! Printing reliability & Speed (10P)  !! Repairability (8P) !! Idiot Proofness (10P)!! Functionallity (10P)!! Sum
|-
| Ender 6|| [478 Euro] (12P)|| [250 x 250 x 400 mm] (6P)|| [Good / High] (7P) || [Good] (7P)|| [Very Good] (8P)|| [Good] (6P)|| 46P
|-
| Prusa i3 MK3s+|| [999 Euro] (4P)|| [250 x 210 x 210 mm] (4P)|| [Excellent / High] (8P)|| [Excellent] (8P)|| [Very Good] (8P)|| [Good] (7P)|| 39P
|-
| Sermoon D1|| [359 Euro] (13P)|| [280 x 260 x 310 mm] (7P)|| [Good / Medium] (6P)|| [Medium] (5P)|| [Good] (7P)|| [Good] (7P)|| 45P
|-
| Artillery Sidewinder X1|| [348Euro] (13P)|| [300 x 300 x 400 mm] (8P)|| [Good / Medium] (6P)|| [Good] (7P)|| [Good] (7P) || [Good] (7P)|| 48P
|}
Please note the given points are according to my stand of knowledge and is by no mean objectiv. This is created in responce to inquirys by members in the lab for a easier overview. Feedbacks and discussions will be appreciated.
=== Ender 6 ===  
=== Ender 6 ===  
{|  
{|  
The Ender 6 is a Core-XY machine that borrows technical aspects from the popular Ender 5 Pro, adds extra build volume, an enclosure, and several improved components. With its sturdy and semi- enclosed frame and fast printing speed thanks to its motion system that all comes with a very reasonable cost, it seems fitting for the lab.
The Ender 6 is a [https://corexy.com/ Core-XY] machine (Advantage: enable quicker printing due to stationary motors) that borrows technical aspects from the popular Ender 5 Pro, adds extra print volume, an enclosure, and several improved components. With its sturdy and semi- enclosed frame and generally faster printing speed thanks to its motion system that all comes with a very reasonable cost, it seems fitting for the lab.
|[[File:Ender 6.png|thumb|Ender 6 |460px]]  
|[[File:Ender 6.png|thumb|Ender 6 |460px]]  
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| Carborundum Glass || 4.3" HD Touch Screen || 350W CHENLIANG || V Rollers X/Y/Z|| Yes || Yes  
| Carborundum Glass || 4.3" HD Touch Screen || 350W CHENLIANG || V Rollers X/Y/Z|| Yes || Yes  
|}
|}
* Idiot proofnes: High (semi - enclosed, filament runout, touch control, very sturdy frame)
* Safety: High (semi - enclosed, filament runout, thermal runaway protection)
* Repairability: Exists Official support and replacement parts, using common component interchangeable with majority of ender printer familiy <br>
* Idiot proofness: High (semi - enclosed, filament runout, touch control, very sturdy frame)
  - External review links: [https://3dprintbeginner.com/creality-ender-6-review/ 3dPrintBeginner [External<nowiki>]</nowiki>]
* Repairability: Exists greate community and official replacement parts, using common component interchangeable with majority of ender printer familiy [https://www.google.com/search?q=ender+6+community (google search results)]<br>
  - '''<big>External review links</big>''': [https://3dprintbeginner.com/creality-ender-6-review/ 3dPrintBeginner [External<nowiki>]</nowiki>]
|}
|}
=== Original Prusa i3 MK3S+ ===  
=== Original Prusa i3 MK3S+ ===  
{|  
{|  
The well-known Original Prusa i3 MK3S+ is still the gold standard in FFF printing, attention to detail and technical finesse are its defining characteristics. Using the company’s filaments and filament profiles with the MK3S+ is magnificently foolproof. The print size, high price and outdated control is the only argument against it being brought into the lab.  
The well-known Original Prusa i3 MK3S+ is still the gold standard in FFF (Fused Filament Deposition) printing, attention to detail and established technology are its defining characteristics. Using the company’s filaments and filament profiles with the MK3S+ is magnificently foolproof. The relativly small print volume, high price and outdated control is the only argument against it being brought into the lab.  
|[[File:Prusa i3 mk3s+.jpg|thumb|Prusa i3 mk3s+ |460px]]
|[[File:Prusa i3 mk3s+.jpg|thumb|Prusa i3 mk3s+ |460px]]
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! Manufacturer !! Release date !! Machine size !! Print Size !! Type !! Extrusion System !! Price
! Manufacturer !! Release date !! Machine size !! Print Size !! Type !! Extrusion System !! Price
|-
|-
| Prusa Research|| February 2019 (with upgrade 2020) || 560(D)x500(W)x380(H)mm || 250 x 210 x 210 mm || FFF Cartesian XZ-head || Direct Drive || 999 EUR + Shipping
| Prusa Research|| February 2019 (with upgrade 2020) || 560(D) x 500(W) x 380(H)mm || 250 x 210 x 210 mm || FFF Cartesian XZ-head || Direct Drive || 999 EUR + Shipping
|}
|}
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! Firmware !! Stepper motor driver !! Supported Filament !! Filament Runout  !! Auto bed leveling !! Printing Speed
! Firmware !! Stepper motor driver !! Supported Filament !! Filament Runout  !! Auto bed leveling !! Printing Speed
|-
|-
| Modified marlin || TMC2130 drivers || PLA/TPU/ABS/PETG || Yes || Yes|| up to 120mm/s   
| Modified marlin || TMC2130 drivers || Wide range up to nylon || Yes || Yes|| up to 120mm/s   
|-
|-
! Printing Platform !! Control !! Power Supply !! Linear Motion !! PrusaSlicer Support !! Cura Support
! Printing Platform !! Control !! Power Supply !! Linear Motion !! PrusaSlicer Support !! Cura Support
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| Removable magnetic PEI spring steel sheet || 1604 LCD Display || 240W Delta || Smooth Rod|| Yes || Yes  
| Removable magnetic PEI spring steel sheet || 1604 LCD Display || 240W Delta || Smooth Rod|| Yes || Yes  
|}
|}
* Safety: High (Smart firmware, filament runout, thermal runaway protection, filament support, fine tuned PrusaSlicer)
* Idiot proofnes: High (Smart firmware, filament support, fine tuned PrusaSlicer)
* Idiot proofnes: High (Smart firmware, filament support, fine tuned PrusaSlicer)
* Repairability: Exists excellent Official support and replacement parts<br>
* Repairability: Exists excellent Official support and replacement parts [https://www.google.com/search?q=Prusa+i3+community (google search results)]<br>
  - External review links: [https://all3dp.com/1/original-prusa-i3-mk3s-plus-review-3d-printer-specs/ All3dp [External<nowiki>]</nowiki>]
  - '''<big>External review links</big>''': [https://all3dp.com/1/original-prusa-i3-mk3s-plus-review-3d-printer-specs/ All3dp [External<nowiki>]</nowiki>]
|}
|}
=== Sermoon D1 ===  
=== Sermoon D1 ===  
{|
The Sermoon D1 is a semi-enclosed cartesian machine that borrows technical aspects from the popular Ender 5 and Ender 6 with expanded print Volume. With its reasonable cheap price for its print volume paired with the from creality promised industeial grade printer reliability and quality it seems fitting for the printing situation in our lab.
|[[File:SermoonD1.jpg|thumb|SermoonD1 |460px]]
{| class="wikitable"
|+ General Overview
|-
! Manufacturer !! Release date !! Machine size !! Print Size !! Type !! Extrusion System !! Price
|-
| Creality3D|| February 2020||  500 x 500 x 531 mm || 280 x 260 x 310 mm || FFF Cartesian XY-head || Direct Drive || 359.00 EUR + 48,99 EUR (BLTouch for Auto Bed Leveling)
|}
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Technical details
|-
! Firmware !! Stepper motor driver !! Supported Filament !! Filament Runout  !! Auto bed leveling !! Printing Speed
|-
| marlin || Silent drivers || PLA/TPU/ABS/PETG || Yes || Yes || up to 90mm/s 
|-
! Printing Platform !! Control !! Power Supply !! Linear Motion !! PrusaSlicer Support !! Cura Support
|-
| Textured Glass || LCD Touchscreen|| Creality CHP-350-24V || smooth rod || Yes (Beta) || Yes
|}
* Safety: High (Semi-enclosed printer, very sturdy frame)
* Idiot proofnes: High (Semi-enclosed printer, very sturdy frame, “industrial-grade printing” according to creality)
* Repairability: Exists replacement parts and manual [https://www.creality.com/pages/faq?spm=..page_1996959.nav_link_store_1.1&spm_prev=..product_00b6c635-894e-4144-b316-036a42553d18.nav_link_store_1.1 (Official Site)] <br>
- '''<big>External review links</big>''': [https://all3dp.com/1/creality-sermoon-d1-review-3d-printer-specs/ All3dp [External<nowiki>]</nowiki>]
|}
=== Artillery Sidewinder X1 ===  
=== Artillery Sidewinder X1 ===  
 
{|
The Atillery sidewinder X1 is a large - scale bed slinger printer with good reputatuion and excellent print quality for its cheap price. I actually got in touch with this printer as a lab printer used in the WARR Rocketry department by TUM. It would be a great compensation for the labs inability to print big stuff and with proper training it could last a long time.
|
[[File:Artillery sidewinder X1.png|thumb|Artillery sidewinder X1 | 460px]]
{| class="wikitable"
|+ General Overview
|-
! Manufacturer !! Release date !! Machine size !! Print Size !! Type !! Extrusion System !! Price
|-
| Artillery|| 2019 ||  550 x 405 x 640 mm || 300 x 300 x 400 mm || FFF Cartesian XZ-head || Direct Drive || 348,32 EUR + 48,99 EUR (BLTouch for Auto Bed Leveling)
|}
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Technical details
|-
! Firmware !! Stepper motor driver !! Supported Filament !! Filament Runout  !! Auto bed leveling !! Printing Speed
|-
| marlin || Artillery Silent drivers || PLA/TPU/ABS/PETG || Yes || Stock No, BLTouch avaliable || up to 120mm/s 
|-
! Printing Platform !! Control !! Power Supply !! Linear Motion !! PrusaSlicer Support !! Cura Support
|-
| Glass plate || LCD Touchscreen|| 650W Artillery || V rollers|| Yes || Yes
|}
* Safety: High (Well tuned setting out of box, Prusaslicer support)
* Idiot proofnes: Medium (Well tuned setting out of box, Prusaslicer support)
* Repairability: Exists and replacement parts, excellent community support [https://www.google.com/search?q=Artillery+Sidewinder+community (google search results)]<br>
- '''<big>External review links</big>''': [https://all3dp.com/de/1/artillery-sidewinder-x1-v4-test-3d-drucker/ All3dp [External<nowiki>]</nowiki>]
|}
=Side notes=  
=Side notes=  
=References=  
=References=  
= Poll =
To aid the decision process and get feed back from members of the lab, here is a quick poll on google forms:
[https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdLobW64C8QDafkU1qbZ9JS1ed386llvcaTzRZHEecPYAytMw/viewform?usp=sf_link Which printer do you think is better? ]
=Comment & Discussion section=
=Comment & Discussion section=
I would say on review of the specs of the candidate printers, that I would be most interested in either the '''Ender 6''' <br> or the '''Artillery sidewinder X1''' <br>
''' Standout points : ''' <br>
- they are both cheaper than the Prusa i3 MK3S+
- Decent print size
''' Further queries : ''' <br>
- How much would it cost for bed levelling in both cases?
- In the case of the Ender 6, how much more will it cost to fully enclose or create adequate ventilation for ABS (The link mentioned 'purchase of a few aluminium extrusions, you can easily add a cover to the Ender 6' but do we know the pricing and lengths of the extrusion and other sheets that would give full protection) or other off-gassing materials (If not, would it make more sense for the Artillery as it is cheaper and gives a larger print bed)
- Maybe I missed this for all units, but how about bed heating ? For the Prusa, I presume it has the same under bed heating system which is fairly reliable. But what about the Ender/Sidewinder ? If they don't how much would it cost to install this in both printers ?
- On the topic of print beds themselves, are there replacements for the glass beds for the ender/sidewinder, I used to have a glass bed for my printers and it was less reliable stiction for first layers unless I used adherents or textured pads to maintain bed adhesion (this point may be unique to my past experience, but that's just a query I will throw out there)
I could find out the answers to most of these with enough googling, but I think as part of the discussion, maybe these are useful to throw out there for debate/clarification
Hope this helps, '''Alex''' <br>
Hi Alex! Sorry for the LATE responce, was too buzy with uni stuff and didnt really find time to sit down and write a proper responce....
* The bed leveling costs were listed in the price section alongside the type of bed leveling probe used, but here are more information about the one for [https://www.creality3dofficial.com/products/bl-touch-auto-bed-leveling-sensor-for-ender-6 Ender 6] and for the [https://www.amazon.de/antclabs-bltouch-Leveling-Premium-Drucker/dp/B01FFV2TOS/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=BLTouch%2BAuto%2BBed%2BLeveling%2BSensor&qid=1656801204&sr=8-7&th=1 Artillery Sidewinder].
* Bed heating are now for all common printers reliable enough and the detaild specs are listed in the specs section for each printer. Thank goodness that we don't need to worry things spotaniousely combust into flames like the very early stages with cheap 3d printers. I haven't heard any problem with them.
* For the ender 6 enclosure creality themselves sells things like [https://de.banggood.com/Creality-3D-Ender-6-3D-Printer-Machine-Top-Cover-with-Auto-Temperature-Measurement-p-1830748.html?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_organic&gmcCountry=DE&utm_content=minha&utm_campaign=aceng-pmax-deg-de-pc&currency=EUR&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_eu&utm_content=dcr&utm_campaign=aceng-pmax-deg-qushica2-notime-1126&ad_id=&gclid=CjwKCAjw2f-VBhAsEiwAO4lNeCOs1cRJyLMEdXdNFJgqxj0OHszvg3N8s3XDNwG1E5h4OtDH3FdNdBoCK5cQAvD_BwE this] for about 86 Euro but IMHO we can make someting simimilar with way less cost out of acrylic glass.
* In regards to the glass bed on both printers, there are more than dozend of different magnetical print bed options because of their popularity, for example this [https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005002064996905.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2deu PEI spring steel sheet for ender 6] or this [https://de.banggood.com/Artillery-PEI-steel-sheet-310mm+310mm-for-base-thermal-bed-fit-Artillery-Sidewinder-x1-x2-3D-Printer-p-1954282.html?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_organic&gmcCountry=DE&utm_content=minha&utm_campaign=aceng-pmax-deg-de-pc&currency=EUR&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_eu&utm_content=dcr&utm_campaign=aceng-pmax-deg-qushica2-notime-1126&ad_id=&gclid=CjwKCAjw2f-VBhAsEiwAO4lNeA26cH5amBeHit44e0C0DfvCiyRAE66F2Hd5O0KC-Ynn2uJ9ZhcXrxoCXhoQAvD_BwE PEI spring stell sheet for Artillery sidewinder X1] both for around 35 to 40 Euro. But then a ABL System will be a must as they will be not perfectly flat. <br>
Thanks again for your helpful suggestions and I hope this section cleared out some of your question in regards to the printers. <br>
Best regards, '''Yichen''' <br>

Latest revision as of 11:37, 10 September 2022

Icon-info-96.png This page was used to decide which 3D printer should be put up for voting. These are not the printers the MuMaLab owns.

General Introduction

With the lab reopening and after some cleanup it seems that the two prusa minis need some backup. After the Plenum on 12.05.2022 with the introduction of this idea, this page is created to present the various printers in preparation for the decision making and voting.

Avaliable Spaces (Physical Requirments)

Printing room space avaliability

Lab printing space for potential new printer

Dimension under current running Prusa minis:

  • 955mm x 560mm x 700mm

Dimension under Ultimaker Unlimited Z:

  • 550mm x 580mm x 710mm


Printer Requirments

Evaluation criteria

  • Easy to maintain and repair
  • Safe for continouse operation in the lab
  • Idiot proof and easy to use
  • Known for good repairability/stock parts available from the manufacturer
  • Support from the manufacturer

Candidate Printer

Overview

Below is a spec graded table of all printers listed made with my best knowledge with the intentions of aiding the desition process. Detailed specs please see below in the table and further readings are provided in links and google.
Printer Cost (15P) Build Volume (10P) Printing reliability & Speed (10P) Repairability (8P) Idiot Proofness (10P) Functionallity (10P) Sum
Ender 6 [478 Euro] (12P) [250 x 250 x 400 mm] (6P) [Good / High] (7P) [Good] (7P) [Very Good] (8P) [Good] (6P) 46P
Prusa i3 MK3s+ [999 Euro] (4P) [250 x 210 x 210 mm] (4P) [Excellent / High] (8P) [Excellent] (8P) [Very Good] (8P) [Good] (7P) 39P
Sermoon D1 [359 Euro] (13P) [280 x 260 x 310 mm] (7P) [Good / Medium] (6P) [Medium] (5P) [Good] (7P) [Good] (7P) 45P
Artillery Sidewinder X1 [348Euro] (13P) [300 x 300 x 400 mm] (8P) [Good / Medium] (6P) [Good] (7P) [Good] (7P) [Good] (7P) 48P

Please note the given points are according to my stand of knowledge and is by no mean objectiv. This is created in responce to inquirys by members in the lab for a easier overview. Feedbacks and discussions will be appreciated.

Ender 6

The Ender 6 is a Core-XY machine (Advantage: enable quicker printing due to stationary motors) that borrows technical aspects from the popular Ender 5 Pro, adds extra print volume, an enclosure, and several improved components. With its sturdy and semi- enclosed frame and generally faster printing speed thanks to its motion system that all comes with a very reasonable cost, it seems fitting for the lab.
Ender 6
General Overview
Manufacturer Release date Machine size Print Size Type Extrusion System Price
Creality3D April 22, 2020 495mm x 495mm x 650mm 250 x 250 x 400 mm FFF CoreXY Semi-Enclosed Bowden 478.00 EUR + 48,99 EUR (BLTouch for Auto Bed Leveling)
Technical details
Firmware Stepper motor driver Supported Filament Filament Runout Auto bed leveling Printing Speed
marlin TMC2208 drivers (Silent) PLA/TPU/ABS/PETG Yes Stock No, Exist official addon up to 150mm/s
Printing Platform Control Power Supply Linear Motion PrusaSlicer Support Cura Support
Carborundum Glass 4.3" HD Touch Screen 350W CHENLIANG V Rollers X/Y/Z Yes Yes
  • Safety: High (semi - enclosed, filament runout, thermal runaway protection)
  • Idiot proofness: High (semi - enclosed, filament runout, touch control, very sturdy frame)
  • Repairability: Exists greate community and official replacement parts, using common component interchangeable with majority of ender printer familiy (google search results)
- External review links: 3dPrintBeginner [External]

Original Prusa i3 MK3S+

The well-known Original Prusa i3 MK3S+ is still the gold standard in FFF (Fused Filament Deposition) printing, attention to detail and established technology are its defining characteristics. Using the company’s filaments and filament profiles with the MK3S+ is magnificently foolproof. The relativly small print volume, high price and outdated control is the only argument against it being brought into the lab.
Prusa i3 mk3s+
General Overview
Manufacturer Release date Machine size Print Size Type Extrusion System Price
Prusa Research February 2019 (with upgrade 2020) 560(D) x 500(W) x 380(H)mm 250 x 210 x 210 mm FFF Cartesian XZ-head Direct Drive 999 EUR + Shipping
Technical details
Firmware Stepper motor driver Supported Filament Filament Runout Auto bed leveling Printing Speed
Modified marlin TMC2130 drivers Wide range up to nylon Yes Yes up to 120mm/s
Printing Platform Control Power Supply Linear Motion PrusaSlicer Support Cura Support
Removable magnetic PEI spring steel sheet 1604 LCD Display 240W Delta Smooth Rod Yes Yes
  • Safety: High (Smart firmware, filament runout, thermal runaway protection, filament support, fine tuned PrusaSlicer)
  • Idiot proofnes: High (Smart firmware, filament support, fine tuned PrusaSlicer)
  • Repairability: Exists excellent Official support and replacement parts (google search results)
- External review links: All3dp [External]

Sermoon D1

The Sermoon D1 is a semi-enclosed cartesian machine that borrows technical aspects from the popular Ender 5 and Ender 6 with expanded print Volume. With its reasonable cheap price for its print volume paired with the from creality promised industeial grade printer reliability and quality it seems fitting for the printing situation in our lab.
SermoonD1
General Overview
Manufacturer Release date Machine size Print Size Type Extrusion System Price
Creality3D February 2020 500 x 500 x 531 mm 280 x 260 x 310 mm FFF Cartesian XY-head Direct Drive 359.00 EUR + 48,99 EUR (BLTouch for Auto Bed Leveling)
Technical details
Firmware Stepper motor driver Supported Filament Filament Runout Auto bed leveling Printing Speed
marlin Silent drivers PLA/TPU/ABS/PETG Yes Yes up to 90mm/s
Printing Platform Control Power Supply Linear Motion PrusaSlicer Support Cura Support
Textured Glass LCD Touchscreen Creality CHP-350-24V smooth rod Yes (Beta) Yes
  • Safety: High (Semi-enclosed printer, very sturdy frame)
  • Idiot proofnes: High (Semi-enclosed printer, very sturdy frame, “industrial-grade printing” according to creality)
  • Repairability: Exists replacement parts and manual (Official Site) 
- External review links: All3dp [External]

Artillery Sidewinder X1

The Atillery sidewinder X1 is a large - scale bed slinger printer with good reputatuion and excellent print quality for its cheap price. I actually got in touch with this printer as a lab printer used in the WARR Rocketry department by TUM. It would be a great compensation for the labs inability to print big stuff and with proper training it could last a long time.
Artillery sidewinder X1
General Overview
Manufacturer Release date Machine size Print Size Type Extrusion System Price
Artillery 2019 550 x 405 x 640 mm 300 x 300 x 400 mm FFF Cartesian XZ-head Direct Drive 348,32 EUR + 48,99 EUR (BLTouch for Auto Bed Leveling)
Technical details
Firmware Stepper motor driver Supported Filament Filament Runout Auto bed leveling Printing Speed
marlin Artillery Silent drivers PLA/TPU/ABS/PETG Yes Stock No, BLTouch avaliable up to 120mm/s
Printing Platform Control Power Supply Linear Motion PrusaSlicer Support Cura Support
Glass plate LCD Touchscreen 650W Artillery V rollers Yes Yes
  • Safety: High (Well tuned setting out of box, Prusaslicer support)
  • Idiot proofnes: Medium (Well tuned setting out of box, Prusaslicer support)
  • Repairability: Exists and replacement parts, excellent community support (google search results)
- External review links: All3dp [External]

Side notes

References

Poll

To aid the decision process and get feed back from members of the lab, here is a quick poll on google forms: Which printer do you think is better?

Comment & Discussion section

I would say on review of the specs of the candidate printers, that I would be most interested in either the Ender 6
or the Artillery sidewinder X1

Standout points :

- they are both cheaper than the Prusa i3 MK3S+

- Decent print size

Further queries :

- How much would it cost for bed levelling in both cases?

- In the case of the Ender 6, how much more will it cost to fully enclose or create adequate ventilation for ABS (The link mentioned 'purchase of a few aluminium extrusions, you can easily add a cover to the Ender 6' but do we know the pricing and lengths of the extrusion and other sheets that would give full protection) or other off-gassing materials (If not, would it make more sense for the Artillery as it is cheaper and gives a larger print bed)

- Maybe I missed this for all units, but how about bed heating ? For the Prusa, I presume it has the same under bed heating system which is fairly reliable. But what about the Ender/Sidewinder ? If they don't how much would it cost to install this in both printers ?

- On the topic of print beds themselves, are there replacements for the glass beds for the ender/sidewinder, I used to have a glass bed for my printers and it was less reliable stiction for first layers unless I used adherents or textured pads to maintain bed adhesion (this point may be unique to my past experience, but that's just a query I will throw out there)

I could find out the answers to most of these with enough googling, but I think as part of the discussion, maybe these are useful to throw out there for debate/clarification

Hope this helps, Alex

Hi Alex! Sorry for the LATE responce, was too buzy with uni stuff and didnt really find time to sit down and write a proper responce....

  • The bed leveling costs were listed in the price section alongside the type of bed leveling probe used, but here are more information about the one for Ender 6 and for the Artillery Sidewinder.
  • Bed heating are now for all common printers reliable enough and the detaild specs are listed in the specs section for each printer. Thank goodness that we don't need to worry things spotaniousely combust into flames like the very early stages with cheap 3d printers. I haven't heard any problem with them.
  • For the ender 6 enclosure creality themselves sells things like this for about 86 Euro but IMHO we can make someting simimilar with way less cost out of acrylic glass.
  • In regards to the glass bed on both printers, there are more than dozend of different magnetical print bed options because of their popularity, for example this PEI spring steel sheet for ender 6 or this PEI spring stell sheet for Artillery sidewinder X1 both for around 35 to 40 Euro. But then a ABL System will be a must as they will be not perfectly flat.

Thanks again for your helpful suggestions and I hope this section cleared out some of your question in regards to the printers.

Best regards, Yichen

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