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=References= | =References= | ||
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To aid the decision process and get feed back from members of the lab, here is a quick poll on google forms: | |||
[https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdLobW64C8QDafkU1qbZ9JS1ed386llvcaTzRZHEecPYAytMw/viewform?usp=sf_link Which printer do you think is better? ] | |||
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I would say on review of the specs of the candidate printers, that I would be most interested in either the '''Ender 6''' <br> or the '''Artillery sidewinder X1''' <br> | I would say on review of the specs of the candidate printers, that I would be most interested in either the '''Ender 6''' <br> or the '''Artillery sidewinder X1''' <br> | ||
Revision as of 00:24, 3 July 2022
This is a discussion page about which 3d printer we should get for the lab, please feel free to edit it! General Introduction
With the lab reopening and after some cleanup it seems that the two prusa minis need some backup. After the Plenum on 12.05.2022 with the introduction of this idea, this page is created to present the various printers in preparation for the decision making and voting.
Avaliable Spaces (Physical Requirments)
Printing room space avaliability
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Dimension under current running Prusa minis:
Dimension under Ultimaker Unlimited Z:
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Printer Requirments
Evaluation criteria
- Easy to maintain and repair
- Safe for continouse operation in the lab
- Idiot proof and easy to use
- Known for good repairability/stock parts available from the manufacturer
- Support from the manufacturer
Candidate Printer
Overview
| Printer | Cost (15P) | Build Volume (10P) | Printing reliability & Speed (10P) | Repairability (8P) | Idiot Proofness (10P) | Functionallity (10P) | Sum |
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| Ender 6 | [478 Euro] (12P) | [250 x 250 x 400 mm] (6P) | [Good / High] (7P) | [Good] (7P) | [Very Good] (8P) | [Good] (6P) | 46P |
| Prusa i3 MK3s+ | [999 Euro] (4P) | [250 x 210 x 210 mm] (4P) | [Excellent / High] (8P) | [Excellent] (8P) | [Very Good] (8P) | [Good] (7P) | 39P |
| Sermoon D1 | [359 Euro] (13P) | [280 x 260 x 310 mm] (7P) | [Good / Medium] (6P) | [Medium] (5P) | [Good] (7P) | [Good] (7P) | 45P |
| Artillery Sidewinder X1 | [348Euro] (13P) | [300 x 300 x 400 mm] (8P) | [Good / Medium] (6P) | [Good] (7P) | [Good] (7P) | [Good] (7P) | 48P |
Please note the given points are according to my stand of knowledge and is by no mean objectiv. This is created in responce to inquirys by members in the lab for a easier overview. Feedbacks and discussions will be appreciated.
Ender 6
The Ender 6 is a Core-XY machine (Advantage: enable quicker printing due to stationary motors) that borrows technical aspects from the popular Ender 5 Pro, adds extra print volume, an enclosure, and several improved components. With its sturdy and semi- enclosed frame and generally faster printing speed thanks to its motion system that all comes with a very reasonable cost, it seems fitting for the lab.
- External review links: 3dPrintBeginner [External] |
Original Prusa i3 MK3S+
The well-known Original Prusa i3 MK3S+ is still the gold standard in FFF (Fused Filament Deposition) printing, attention to detail and established technology are its defining characteristics. Using the company’s filaments and filament profiles with the MK3S+ is magnificently foolproof. The relativly small print volume, high price and outdated control is the only argument against it being brought into the lab.
- External review links: All3dp [External] |
Sermoon D1
The Sermoon D1 is a semi-enclosed cartesian machine that borrows technical aspects from the popular Ender 5 and Ender 6 with expanded print Volume. With its reasonable cheap price for its print volume paired with the from creality promised industeial grade printer reliability and quality it seems fitting for the printing situation in our lab.
- External review links: All3dp [External] |
Artillery Sidewinder X1
The Atillery sidewinder X1 is a large - scale bed slinger printer with good reputatuion and excellent print quality for its cheap price. I actually got in touch with this printer as a lab printer used in the WARR Rocketry department by TUM. It would be a great compensation for the labs inability to print big stuff and with proper training it could last a long time.
- External review links: All3dp [External] |
Side notes
References
Poll
To aid the decision process and get feed back from members of the lab, here is a quick poll on google forms: Which printer do you think is better?
Comment & Discussion section
I would say on review of the specs of the candidate printers, that I would be most interested in either the Ender 6
or the Artillery sidewinder X1
Standout points :
- they are both cheaper than the Prusa i3 MK3S+
- Decent print size
Further queries :
- How much would it cost for bed levelling in both cases?
- In the case of the Ender 6, how much more will it cost to fully enclose or create adequate ventilation for ABS (The link mentioned 'purchase of a few aluminium extrusions, you can easily add a cover to the Ender 6' but do we know the pricing and lengths of the extrusion and other sheets that would give full protection) or other off-gassing materials (If not, would it make more sense for the Artillery as it is cheaper and gives a larger print bed)
- Maybe I missed this for all units, but how about bed heating ? For the Prusa, I presume it has the same under bed heating system which is fairly reliable. But what about the Ender/Sidewinder ? If they don't how much would it cost to install this in both printers ?
- On the topic of print beds themselves, are there replacements for the glass beds for the ender/sidewinder, I used to have a glass bed for my printers and it was less reliable stiction for first layers unless I used adherents or textured pads to maintain bed adhesion (this point may be unique to my past experience, but that's just a query I will throw out there)
I could find out the answers to most of these with enough googling, but I think as part of the discussion, maybe these are useful to throw out there for debate/clarification
Hope this helps, Alex
Hi Alex! Sorry for the LATE responce, was too buzy with uni stuff and didnt really find time to sit down and write a proper responce....
- The bed leveling costs were listed in the price section alongside the type of bed leveling probe used, but here are more information about the one for Ender 6 and for the Artillery Sidewinder.
- Bed heating are now for all common printers reliable enough and the detaild specs are listed in the specs section for each printer. Thank goodness that we don't need to worry things spotaniousely combust into flames like the very early stages with cheap 3d printers. I haven't heard any problem with them.
- For the ender 6 enclosure creality themselves sells things like this for about 86 Euro but IMHO we can make someting simimilar with way less cost out of acrylic glass.
- In regards to the glass bed on both printers, there are more than dozend of different magnetical print bed options because of their popularity, for example this PEI spring steel sheet for ender 6 or this PEI spring stell sheet for Artillery sidewinder X1 both for around 35 to 40 Euro. But then a ABL System will be a must as they will be not perfectly flat.
Thanks again for your helpful suggestions and I hope this section cleared out some of your question in regards to the printers.
Best regards, Yichen
